291: Are You Really Independent? The Question Every Financial Advisor Should Ask

What does it actually mean to be independent as a financial advisor?

Stacey opens with a hot take of her own before Frank even gets a word in.

Frank breaks down a comment made online by Cheryl Penny, founder and CEO of Dynasty Financial Partners, who argued that a financial advisor is only truly independent if they own their own RIA. Frank explains why he disagrees, walking through real examples of RIAs having their custodial agreements pulled by firms like Schwab and Raymond James, proving that ownership alone does not eliminate risk or control from other parties.

Stacey pushes back on the idea of captive independence, pointing out that advisors at firms like LPL or Centera are not captive at all, they own their clients and their data and they can leave whenever they want. Frank walks through the real math behind a transition deal to show why taking a check from a firm does not trap an advisor either, since the note can simply be paid back.

Stacey introduces what she jokes she should trademark, the spectrum of independence, the idea that independence is not binary but exists on a range from heavily branded wirehouse structures to fully self built RIAs, with plenty of legitimate options in between. Frank builds on this with a real client example of an advisor who has stayed an IAR of an RIA for years because building his own simply is not worth the time and energy and how firms like Dynasty help advisors avoid reinventing the wheel with technology and pricing.

The conversation turns pointed when Frank and Stacey discuss financial advisors being quietly penalized for keeping smaller clients as their book grows and whether that pressure from a firm should count against how independent an advisor really is. The episode closes with Stacey's real test for independence, if you cannot pick up and leave without restrictions, ask yourself how independent you actually are.

Questions answered in this episode include:
Is a financial advisor only truly independent if they own their own RIA?

What is captive independence and is it a real risk for advisors?

What is the spectrum of independence?

How does a financial advisor transition deal actually work if you want to leave early?

Why do some financial advisors stay as an IAR instead of building their own RIA?

Should financial advisors be penalized for keeping smaller clients?

What is the real test of whether a financial advisor is independent?

Key Highlights:
00:00 Introduction: You're Not as Independent as You Think
01:55 The Comment That Started the Debate
03:19 Layers of Termination and What True Independence Means
04:21 Captive Independence: Is It Real
09:38 The Spectrum of Independence
13:12 Finding the Right RIA Fit Without Reinventing the Wheel
16:23 Is Your Firm Punishing You for Smaller Clients
21:02 How to Reach Frank and Stacey

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Pat Golden serves as Senior Business Consultant at Elite Consulting Partners, bringing more than 20 years of wealth management experience and a background in sales and relationship management with Merrill Lynch, Eastwood Homes, and Ryan Homes. Having moved his own book of business three times, Pat understands the professional and personal considerations that come with an advisor’s transition. Excited to return to financial services, he draws on that firsthand experience to help advisors evaluate their options and navigate the details of a move with thoughtful, personal support.

Outside of work, Pat enjoys spending time with his wife, their three adult daughters, and a new grandchild. An active, outdoors-loving family, they enjoy hiking, boating, and time at the lake. Pat also enjoys mountain biking and riding dual-sport motorcycles, while his wife teaches yoga. His people-first outlook extends to his involvement with his local church and charitable organizations, including Big Brothers Big Sisters of America.

Todd brings more than two decades of financial services experience to his role as Senior Business Consultant at Elite Consulting Partners. His career includes leadership positions within the wholesale space at Rock Harbor LLC, SunAmerica Retirement Markets, Sun Life Financial, and Lincoln Financial Distributors.

With a strong understanding of the challenges and opportunities advisors face when evaluating a transition, Todd helps financial professionals explore their options, assess potential firm partners, and identify solutions aligned with their business and personal priorities. His relationship-focused approach is grounded in listening carefully, providing informed guidance, and supporting advisors throughout the due-diligence and transition process.

Greg Noble is a Senior Business Consultant at Elite Consulting Partners with over 35 years of experience across capital markets, wealth management, and advisor transitions. Having served as a trader, advisor, and consultant, he brings a unique perspective to helping financial advisors evaluate M&A opportunities, succession plans, and firm transitions. Greg is known for his candid, advisor-first approach providing confidential guidance and tailored strategies designed to align with each advisor’s long-term goals.

Sean McMaster brings nearly 20 years of financial services experience and more than 13 years helping financial advisors evaluate strategic business opportunities. Prior to joining Elite Consulting Partners, he held leadership roles with LPL Financial, Osaic, and Cetera Financial Group, where he earned recognition as Osaic's #1-ranked recruiter in 2023 and Cetera's #2-ranked recruiter in 2025. Sean works closely with advisors and advisory teams to navigate independence, succession planning, growth strategies, and long-term business decisions, helping them align their goals with the right opportunities for their future.

John Neyer, BFA, LUTCF is a Senior Business Consultant at Elite Consulting Partners, bringing over 30 years of financial services experience in leadership development, business strategy, and practice management. His expertise lies in empowering financial advisors and firms to achieve their growth objectives through tailored, strategic solutions.

Prior to joining Elite Consulting Partners, John served as Executive Business Coach and Leadership Consultant at Decision Reflex Consulting, where he worked closely with senior financial advisors and C-suite executives to enhance performance and drive business success. His leadership experience also includes roles at Think2Perform, Neyer Consulting, Ameriprise Financial, and Waddell & Reed Financial, where he played a key role in business development and advisor coaching.

At Elite Consulting Partners, John specializes in providing independent transition solutions, helping advisors navigate the complexities of firm transitions, practice management, and business growth. His approach aligns with Elite’s commitment to delivering objective, customized guidance, ensuring advisors have the tools and insights to make informed decisions for their future.

John is known for his strategic mindset, problem-solving skills, and passion for leadership development. His ability to mentor advisors and guide organizations through transformational growth makes him a valuable resource for financial professionals looking to build high-performing, successful practices.

John is a proud U.S. Marine Corps Veteran, and a strong proponent of Marine Corps Leadership principles applications to business.

John is an accomplished financial professional with a proven track record in growing and scaling companies through strategic financial management. Previously, he served as a financial controller for a leading international importer and supplier of custom-made promotional products in Philadelphia, where he honed his expertise in financial oversight and operational optimization. With a passion for driving financial performance, John is dedicated to fostering sustainable growth and innovation within the organization.

In my role as a senior consultant for financial advisors, I bring a deep understanding of advisor needs shaped by my start in the industry as a Business Development Associate. That foundation allows me to see transitions from both a strategic and relationship-driven perspective. Known for my ability to listen closely and develop creative, customized solutions, I help advisors navigate complex transitions with confidence and clarity.

Outside of work, I channel my creativity by playing guitar in a band, an outlet that mirrors my collaborative and adaptive approach to problem-solving.”

Dakota Stevens holds a Master of Science in Finance from EDHEC Business School in France. Before joining Elite, he gained valuable experience as both an internal and external recruiter at LPL Financial, where he served as AVP, Associate Regional Director. Dakota has also worked in private banking as an Associate Private Banker in Luxembourg and has a background in Property & Casualty Insurance. Outside of work, he is passionate about linguistics, chess, surfing, snowboarding, and traveling. Colleagues and friends alike recognize Dakota for his infectious positivity and joyful demeanor, often describing him as one of the happiest guys on the planet.